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		<title>By: Abas</title>
		<link>http://www.indranet.org/social-networking-and-instant-fulfillment/comment-page-1/#comment-779</link>
		<dc:creator>Abas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Mar 2009 14:48:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi, &amp; good day to you, Ivo 

How are you? I hope all is well with you. By the way, I just posted a new batch of articles &amp; slide shows on my blog at http://voyage.aimvotal.com/

I hope that you may want to take a look at them &amp; have a pleasurable read &amp; viewing. Please do leave a comment or two to help me improve my blog. Thanks in advance. Keep in touch.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi, &amp; good day to you, Ivo </p>
<p>How are you? I hope all is well with you. By the way, I just posted a new batch of articles &amp; slide shows on my blog at <a href="http://voyage.aimvotal.com/" rel="nofollow">http://voyage.aimvotal.com/</a></p>
<p>I hope that you may want to take a look at them &amp; have a pleasurable read &amp; viewing. Please do leave a comment or two to help me improve my blog. Thanks in advance. Keep in touch.</p>
<p>Abasster</p>
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		<title>By: Sébastien Orban</title>
		<link>http://www.indranet.org/social-networking-and-instant-fulfillment/comment-page-1/#comment-771</link>
		<dc:creator>Sébastien Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 20:40:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we can adapt to our new way of manipulating information, we can change it too. Well, that&#039;s what I hope !
And not with medication... not convince at all with all those molecules. There&#039;s no easy way to get better – to attain happiness for example.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we can adapt to our new way of manipulating information, we can change it too. Well, that&#8217;s what I hope !<br />
And not with medication&#8230; not convince at all with all those molecules. There&#8217;s no easy way to get better – to attain happiness for example.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:40:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think too the plasticity of our brain goes both ways. Experiments made on samatha meditation by Alan Wallace and others go in this direction. Basically we become what we do. I just wonder about the degree of plasticity... take for instance kids used to interact with a screen for hours since a very very early age... what happens then to their brain? Can they still really change it much? Or can they just be medicated for the rest of their life with Ritalin or similar molecules?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think too the plasticity of our brain goes both ways. Experiments made on samatha meditation by Alan Wallace and others go in this direction. Basically we become what we do. I just wonder about the degree of plasticity&#8230; take for instance kids used to interact with a screen for hours since a very very early age&#8230; what happens then to their brain? Can they still really change it much? Or can they just be medicated for the rest of their life with Ritalin or similar molecules?</p>
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		<title>By: Sébastien Orban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sébastien Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 07:11:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the plasticity of our brain goes both way : loosing our concentration and regaining it.
In my mind, it&#039;s clear that the brain adapt itself to task – I&#039;m curious to read the book from Gary Small about this transformation and how we can find those change in other situation (like a game, or in a war zone, or...).
All these things for me come from the mass of information we got everyday, more than especially the web. I give you that before the net it was slower to browse an encyclopedia – but who haven&#039;t do this with Universalis of the Britannica ?
We can argue about the social aspect of it – but I&#039;m not convince internet is the answer for those losts. I&#039;m reading lot of philosophy and well, the ideas propose by people like Rancière, Foucault, Deleuze and so on (I&#039;m from the french speaking part of Belgium), explain this without an all or nothing with technology.

I know – giving technology to people and hoping they will use it with intelligence is naive. But well... I don&#039;t want to be pessimist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the plasticity of our brain goes both way : loosing our concentration and regaining it.<br />
In my mind, it&#8217;s clear that the brain adapt itself to task – I&#8217;m curious to read the book from Gary Small about this transformation and how we can find those change in other situation (like a game, or in a war zone, or&#8230;).<br />
All these things for me come from the mass of information we got everyday, more than especially the web. I give you that before the net it was slower to browse an encyclopedia – but who haven&#8217;t do this with Universalis of the Britannica ?<br />
We can argue about the social aspect of it – but I&#8217;m not convince internet is the answer for those losts. I&#8217;m reading lot of philosophy and well, the ideas propose by people like Rancière, Foucault, Deleuze and so on (I&#8217;m from the french speaking part of Belgium), explain this without an all or nothing with technology.</p>
<p>I know – giving technology to people and hoping they will use it with intelligence is naive. But well&#8230; I don&#8217;t want to be pessimist.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 02 Mar 2009 04:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>An interview with Nicholas Carr where he talks as well about neurophysiological experiments on web users http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/399/computing_the_cost</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An interview with Nicholas Carr where he talks as well about neurophysiological experiments on web users <a href="http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/399/computing_the_cost" rel="nofollow">http://www.thesunmagazine.org/issues/399/computing_the_cost</a></p>
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		<title>By: Sébastien Orban</title>
		<link>http://www.indranet.org/social-networking-and-instant-fulfillment/comment-page-1/#comment-763</link>
		<dc:creator>Sébastien Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 08:38:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ivo, I agree that a lower capacity of patience is no good. 
But to say that our modern way of communicating change our aptitude to wait – and to concentrate, is, I think, a jump to conclusion.

Maybe it&#039;s the case – I don&#039;t know. Without actual fact, I prefer to wait and see, but of course, not without working on getting a better life.
I suppose you&#039;ve read the Csikszentmihalyi&#039;s books ? His experiment show that a life that is engaged in highly stimulating activities (intellectual or not) bring us a lot more happiness.
Some bouddhist monk participate in experiment on the brain – Mathieux Ricard for example. Their brain seem to be more active while they meditate, and they are more aware of their environment without being disturbed by it. But well, I should reread it :)

So, to be clear : yes, I think what we do influence how our brain configure itself (experiment proove it, an easy version of the expriment can be found in &quot;This our brain on music&quot; and &quot;Brain Rules&quot;). But no, we have no proof if facebook and so on change it in a drastic way. And I&#039;m no fan of those application !</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ivo, I agree that a lower capacity of patience is no good.<br />
But to say that our modern way of communicating change our aptitude to wait – and to concentrate, is, I think, a jump to conclusion.</p>
<p>Maybe it&#8217;s the case – I don&#8217;t know. Without actual fact, I prefer to wait and see, but of course, not without working on getting a better life.<br />
I suppose you&#8217;ve read the Csikszentmihalyi&#8217;s books ? His experiment show that a life that is engaged in highly stimulating activities (intellectual or not) bring us a lot more happiness.<br />
Some bouddhist monk participate in experiment on the brain – Mathieux Ricard for example. Their brain seem to be more active while they meditate, and they are more aware of their environment without being disturbed by it. But well, I should reread it <img src='http://www.indranet.org/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>So, to be clear : yes, I think what we do influence how our brain configure itself (experiment proove it, an easy version of the expriment can be found in &#8220;This our brain on music&#8221; and &#8220;Brain Rules&#8221;). But no, we have no proof if facebook and so on change it in a drastic way. And I&#8217;m no fan of those application !</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Feb 2009 05:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe this quote from Maggie Jackson. Distracted. (Prometheous Books. New York. 2008) looks a bit more scientific, for whatever means...

&quot;Around 1970, Walter Mischel launched one of the most famous experiments in modern psychology. He put a series of four-year-olds in a room with a bell and a marshmallow, the asked if he or she would like a “small” or “large” reward. Most, if not all, opted for the bigger treat. But then the catch was releaved: only if the child waited until the experimenter returned, would he receive two marshmallows. If the child couldn&#039;t wait, he could ring the bell, and the adult would allow him to eat the first treat.  ... some children rang the bell in a minute, others toughed it out for up to twenty minutes before the researcher returned. For decades, Michael and his colleagues at Stanford and then Columbia universities repeated the experiment, sometimes with pretzel sticks or toys, or after giving the children a helpful tip on waiting. And then, they tracked many of the preschoolers as they grew. Thise who has waited longer for a treat become more socially competent, resilient, articulate, attentive, reasoning teens who scored substantially sigher on the SATs and got higher educationsl degrees. Kids who opted for instant gratification were more likely to become bullies, get lower parent and teacher evaluations as teens, and abuse drugs as adults. Even seconds&#039; difference in wait times made a difference in the trajectory of a life. How could such a breathlessly simple experiment predict so much?&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe this quote from Maggie Jackson. Distracted. (Prometheous Books. New York. 2008) looks a bit more scientific, for whatever means&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Around 1970, Walter Mischel launched one of the most famous experiments in modern psychology. He put a series of four-year-olds in a room with a bell and a marshmallow, the asked if he or she would like a “small” or “large” reward. Most, if not all, opted for the bigger treat. But then the catch was releaved: only if the child waited until the experimenter returned, would he receive two marshmallows. If the child couldn&#8217;t wait, he could ring the bell, and the adult would allow him to eat the first treat.  &#8230; some children rang the bell in a minute, others toughed it out for up to twenty minutes before the researcher returned. For decades, Michael and his colleagues at Stanford and then Columbia universities repeated the experiment, sometimes with pretzel sticks or toys, or after giving the children a helpful tip on waiting. And then, they tracked many of the preschoolers as they grew. Thise who has waited longer for a treat become more socially competent, resilient, articulate, attentive, reasoning teens who scored substantially sigher on the SATs and got higher educationsl degrees. Kids who opted for instant gratification were more likely to become bullies, get lower parent and teacher evaluations as teens, and abuse drugs as adults. Even seconds&#8217; difference in wait times made a difference in the trajectory of a life. How could such a breathlessly simple experiment predict so much?&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sébastien Orban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sébastien Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 17:07:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except philosophical evidence do not exist. And that we can build them from the ground to prove or disprove anything – wasn&#039;t that what sofist do for the ancient greek ? 
I do agree with you that the over generalisation of all those network can have negative effect. As well as positive one.
Still, it&#039;s not because there&#039;s a tool at our disposition that it erase what has come before.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except philosophical evidence do not exist. And that we can build them from the ground to prove or disprove anything – wasn&#8217;t that what sofist do for the ancient greek ?<br />
I do agree with you that the over generalisation of all those network can have negative effect. As well as positive one.<br />
Still, it&#8217;s not because there&#8217;s a tool at our disposition that it erase what has come before.</p>
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		<title>By: Ivo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ivo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:52:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good for you, Sébastien.  Actually, I experience less capacity for concentration both for meditating and immersing myself in a book.

Regarding Greenfield&#039;s words, it&#039;s true that it isn&#039;t backed by a scientific experiment, but in my opinion that&#039;s not really needed. Maybe one day she or somebody else will show a nice brain map which shows the damage done to some areas. But even that wouldn&#039;t say much more – and in a way even those scans and numbers will be just another opinion. The sample, the methodology, the interpretation and the consequences of her data can be challenged by other scientists and by lay people. I think that philosophical observations have their own value in themselves, purely apart from scientific &quot;evidence.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good for you, Sébastien.  Actually, I experience less capacity for concentration both for meditating and immersing myself in a book.</p>
<p>Regarding Greenfield&#8217;s words, it&#8217;s true that it isn&#8217;t backed by a scientific experiment, but in my opinion that&#8217;s not really needed. Maybe one day she or somebody else will show a nice brain map which shows the damage done to some areas. But even that wouldn&#8217;t say much more – and in a way even those scans and numbers will be just another opinion. The sample, the methodology, the interpretation and the consequences of her data can be challenged by other scientists and by lay people. I think that philosophical observations have their own value in themselves, purely apart from scientific &#8220;evidence.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Sébastien Orban</title>
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		<dc:creator>Sébastien Orban</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:07:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Except Susan Greenfield does NOT base his conclusion on any clear experiment nor specific result. It&#039;s an opinion, and well, as a poster on another site as said, we can pull opinion out of Super Tomatoes it would be as good.
I have no long concentration capacities – still I can meditate and read long book/document. Flow is no problem (work, drawing, music...). So, maybe, but only, maybe, we can work it out. Both way. 
Technologies help as much as it can be an hindrance. Remember that the first time Thot come with writting, the pharaoh refuse it, &#039;cause it will reduce the attention span (memories) of human. Has it happen ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Except Susan Greenfield does NOT base his conclusion on any clear experiment nor specific result. It&#8217;s an opinion, and well, as a poster on another site as said, we can pull opinion out of Super Tomatoes it would be as good.<br />
I have no long concentration capacities – still I can meditate and read long book/document. Flow is no problem (work, drawing, music&#8230;). So, maybe, but only, maybe, we can work it out. Both way.<br />
Technologies help as much as it can be an hindrance. Remember that the first time Thot come with writting, the pharaoh refuse it, &#8217;cause it will reduce the attention span (memories) of human. Has it happen ?</p>
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